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| − | In the summer of 2023, an individual known as Helena began selling what she claims are dye tested prototypes from the Estrela factory. She began selling them on the Brazilian auction platform, Mercado Livre, and has branched out to eBay, perhaps in an effort to gain more traffic or a new audience. She currently sells under user name | + | [[File:Group01.jpg|thumb|A Group of "Prototypes"]]In the summer of 2023, an individual known as Helena began selling what she claims are dye tested prototypes from the Estrela factory. She began selling them on the Brazilian auction platform, Mercado Livre, and has branched out to eBay, perhaps in an effort to gain more traffic or a new audience. She currently sells under user name starshinesprinklesjblackjrcgal and lists these ponies at extremely high prices. |
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| + | ! helnu_79 !! rimor-763 !! style="background:red; color:white;"|brasilidades | ||
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| + | | '''Created March 21,2021''' ||'''Created September 1, 2023''' || '''Created October 3, 2023''' | ||
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| + | | brazil_toys_7 - Changed Aug. 29, 2023 || old-toys1963 - Changed Nov. 2023 || '''UNCONFIRMED THIRD ACCOUNT''' | ||
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| + | | vintage1982br - Changed Sept./Oct. 2023 || style="background:red; color:white;"|'''dona_maria_vintage''' - Changed Dec. 2023 || | ||
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| + | | starshinesprinklesjblackjrcgal - Changed Nov. 29, 2023 || || | ||
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| + | | style="background:red; color:white;"|'''helnu_79''' - Changed Dec. 2023 || || | ||
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| + | On August 29, 2023, Helena changed her user name, and eBay required her to change the language of her listings from "protótipo (prototype)" to "variante (variant)." This is still an inaccurate description of what these ponies are. No other ponies like this are currently known to exist with any other individual, whether they were a child of an Estrela worker or a Brazilian collector who found them on the thrifting market. | ||
Helena's story is that her grandfather worked for Estrela, a Hasbro-licensed company that produced G1 My Little Pony for the Brazilian market. Her grandfather would bring home bags of toys - not strictly My Little Pony - from the factory and distribute them as gifts to her and her seven cousins for birthdays and holidays. Helena also claims that each child who attended the Estrela Christmas party was sent home with a bag of toys. | Helena's story is that her grandfather worked for Estrela, a Hasbro-licensed company that produced G1 My Little Pony for the Brazilian market. Her grandfather would bring home bags of toys - not strictly My Little Pony - from the factory and distribute them as gifts to her and her seven cousins for birthdays and holidays. Helena also claims that each child who attended the Estrela Christmas party was sent home with a bag of toys. | ||
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She also stated that Rit dye is not available in Brazil and that she does not believe that Brazilian ponies are capable of being dyed at all. She provided video "proof" of her wiping one of these ponies' symbols off with acetone to show that no dye came off. It is important to note that Rit dye can be ordered into the country from online outlets and that her test is not an accurate measure of whether or not a pony has been altered. | She also stated that Rit dye is not available in Brazil and that she does not believe that Brazilian ponies are capable of being dyed at all. She provided video "proof" of her wiping one of these ponies' symbols off with acetone to show that no dye came off. It is important to note that Rit dye can be ordered into the country from online outlets and that her test is not an accurate measure of whether or not a pony has been altered. | ||
| − | Another community member posted a video in which he cuts into the neck plug of a dyed Cotton Candy pony purchased from Helena. The original pink color is clearly visible below the dye permeation. Hasbro sculptor Kirk Hindman has also mentioned at past MLP events that it would have been cost-prohibitive for a manufacturer to dye prototypes and that it is easier to paint them for production review. | + | [[File:AcetoneTest.jpg|thumb|Acetone-Tested "Prototype"]] |
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| + | Another community member posted a video in which he cuts into the neck plug of a dyed Cotton Candy pony purchased from Helena. The original pink color is clearly visible below the dye permeation. Hasbro sculptor [[Kirk Hindman]] has also mentioned at past MLP events that it would have been cost-prohibitive for a manufacturer to dye prototypes and that it is easier to paint them for production review. | ||
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| + | [https://youtu.be/dRIoj1NH1J8?si=pCoogc7vBb_0iU5G See the video here. Brazilian collector cuts into neck plug of fake Cotton Candy prototype to reveal standard pink color beneath.] | ||
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| + | All collectors should exercise caution if planning to purchase any of these unauthenticated "prototypes." The seller will indeed provide the goods, however, she is not likely to willingly issue a refund if the buyer decides that they are unhappy. | ||
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| + | On September 19, 2023, Helena began adding a false email exchange with an Estrela representative to all of her eBay listings seeming to confirm these ponies' authenticity. The email contains no official Estrela branding to support its legitimacy. The language in the message seems to state that dye was injected into the molds after the vinyl and conveniently supports each point that the community has questioned. The process of injecting dye after vinyl into a mold is not standard protocol for production and highly unlikely to be true. Hasbro US has proven unable to confirm its past products from that long ago without community assistance, so it is not likely that Estrela would be able to confirm products made in a now-defunct factory.''' | ||
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| + | Within hours, the fake exchange was removed from the listings. She has also resumed using the term "prototype." | ||
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| + | '''Helena is rapidly changing user names, and she has resumed listing ponies with photos of her fraudulent certificates of authenticity and email exchange with Estrela.''' | ||
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| + | <gallery caption="Sold Listings for Fake Prototypes" widths="200" heights="200"> | ||
| + | File:Sold01.png | ||
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| + | File:Sold09.png | ||
| + | </gallery> | ||
| − | <gallery caption="Fake Prototypes from eBay Listings" widths="200" heights="200 | + | <gallery caption="Fake Prototypes and Descriptions from eBay Listings" widths="200" heights="200"> |
File:WF01.png|Waterfall with Blue Sprinkles, Sold for $1,000 USD on June 21, 2023 | File:WF01.png|Waterfall with Blue Sprinkles, Sold for $1,000 USD on June 21, 2023 | ||
File:WF02.png|Pink Undertone to Blue Dye | File:WF02.png|Pink Undertone to Blue Dye | ||
File:WF03.png|Pink Undertone to Blue Dye Inside | File:WF03.png|Pink Undertone to Blue Dye Inside | ||
| − | File:DS01.png| | + | File:WFText.png|Waterfall Listing Description |
| + | File:DS01.png|Purplish-Gray Snuzzle, Sold for Best Offer on $380 USD Asking Price on June 25, 2023 | ||
File:DS02.png|Darker Neck Seam Determines It Has Been Dyed | File:DS02.png|Darker Neck Seam Determines It Has Been Dyed | ||
| + | File:DSText.png|Purplish-Gray Snuzzle Listing Description | ||
File:BP01.png|Brown Peachy, Sold for $380 USD on June 26, 2023 | File:BP01.png|Brown Peachy, Sold for $380 USD on June 26, 2023 | ||
File:BP02.png|Splotchy Dye Job and Hair That Absorbed Some Dye Color | File:BP02.png|Splotchy Dye Job and Hair That Absorbed Some Dye Color | ||
File:BP03.png|Darker Neck Seam Determines It Has Been Dyed | File:BP03.png|Darker Neck Seam Determines It Has Been Dyed | ||
| + | File:BPText.png|Brown Peachy Listing Description | ||
| + | File:PS01.png|Dark Purplish-Gray Snuzzle, Sold for Best Offer on $360 USD Asking Price on June 30, 2023 | ||
| + | File:PS02.png|Splotchy Dye Job | ||
| + | File:PS03.png|Dyed Neck Plug | ||
| + | File:PS04.png|Darker Neck Seam and Hair That Absorbed Some Color Indicating Dye Job | ||
| + | File:PSText.png|Dark Purplish-Gray Snuzzle Listing Description | ||
| + | File:PBB01.png|Purple Blue Belle, Sold for $380 USD on June 30, 2023; Same Pony Sold on Same Day for Best Offer on $380 USD Asking Price... | ||
| + | File:PBBText.png|Purple Blue Belle Listing Description | ||
| + | File:PBBText02.png|Same Purple Blue Belle, Different Listing | ||
| + | File:WFAB01.png|Second Waterfall with Blue Sprinkles, Sold for Best Offer on $1,000 USD Asking Price on July 1, 2023 | ||
| + | File:WFAB02.png|Second Blue Sprinkles | ||
| + | File:WFAB03.png|Color on Bent Knee Is Questionable | ||
| + | File:WFAB04.png|Oddly Splotchy Face | ||
| + | File:WFAB05.png|This Actually Looks Like Poor Airbrushing | ||
| + | File:WFABText.png|Second Waterfall Listing Description, Mentions That Knee Is Stained | ||
| + | File:PCP01.png|Pink Collector Pose, Sold for Best Offer on $378 USD Asking Price on July 3, 2023 | ||
| + | File:PCP02.png|Either Shadow from Poor Photo or Poor Dye Job Noticeable on Nose | ||
| + | File:PCPText.png|Pink Collector Pose Listing Description | ||
| + | File:BGCP01.png|Blue Green Collector Pose, Sold for Best Offer on $390 USD Asking Price on July 4, 2023 | ||
| + | File:BGCP02.png|Darker Neck Seam and Hair That Absorbed Some Dye | ||
| + | File:BGCP03.png|Splotchy Appearance | ||
| + | File:BGCPText.png|Blue Green Collector Pose Listing Description | ||
| + | File:BC01.jpg|Magenta Baby Cuddles, Sold for $1,200 on July 9, 2023 | ||
| + | File:BC02.jpg | ||
| + | File:BCText.png|Listing Description Stating That Pony Was Discarded and Saved from Trash | ||
| + | File:DSp01.jpg|Poorly Dyed Blue Sprinkles, Sold for $900 USD on July 9, 2023 | ||
| + | File:DSp02.jpg|Very Poor Dye Job | ||
| + | File:DSp03.jpg | ||
| + | File:DSpText.jpg|Third Blue Sprinkles Listing Description | ||
| + | </gallery> | ||
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| + | <gallery caption="Known Returns That Are Relisted and Retaliation" widths="200" heights="200"> | ||
| + | File:OCP01.jpg|Orange Collector Pose, Sold for Best Offer on $500 USD Asking Price on July 12, 2023 | ||
| + | File:OCP02.jpg|Buyer Returned This Pony | ||
| + | File:OCPText.jpg|Orange Collector Pose Listing Description | ||
| + | File:OCPRl.jpg|Pony Has Been Relisted with Previous Buyer's Name in Listing Title | ||
| + | File:OCPRlText.jpg|Seller Included Retaliatory Statement Against Previous Buyer in Portuguese While Rest of Description is in English | ||
| + | File:WFRetal01.png|Retaliatory Statements in Listing Description Against Wiki Editors and Facebook Group Members | ||
| + | File:Retal02.png|Retaliatory Statement in Listing Description Against Wiki Editors and Facebook Group Members | ||
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</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
<br style="clear: both" /> | <br style="clear: both" /> | ||
Revision as of 10:01, 20 December 2023
In the summer of 2023, an individual known as Helena began selling what she claims are dye tested prototypes from the Estrela factory. She began selling them on the Brazilian auction platform, Mercado Livre, and has branched out to eBay, perhaps in an effort to gain more traffic or a new audience. She currently sells under user name starshinesprinklesjblackjrcgal and lists these ponies at extremely high prices.
| helnu_79 | rimor-763 | brasilidades |
|---|---|---|
| Created March 21,2021 | Created September 1, 2023 | Created October 3, 2023 |
| brazil_toys_7 - Changed Aug. 29, 2023 | old-toys1963 - Changed Nov. 2023 | UNCONFIRMED THIRD ACCOUNT |
| vintage1982br - Changed Sept./Oct. 2023 | dona_maria_vintage - Changed Dec. 2023 | |
| starshinesprinklesjblackjrcgal - Changed Nov. 29, 2023 | ||
| helnu_79 - Changed Dec. 2023 |
On August 29, 2023, Helena changed her user name, and eBay required her to change the language of her listings from "protótipo (prototype)" to "variante (variant)." This is still an inaccurate description of what these ponies are. No other ponies like this are currently known to exist with any other individual, whether they were a child of an Estrela worker or a Brazilian collector who found them on the thrifting market.
Helena's story is that her grandfather worked for Estrela, a Hasbro-licensed company that produced G1 My Little Pony for the Brazilian market. Her grandfather would bring home bags of toys - not strictly My Little Pony - from the factory and distribute them as gifts to her and her seven cousins for birthdays and holidays. Helena also claims that each child who attended the Estrela Christmas party was sent home with a bag of toys.
These ponies are in many odd colors that were not typical of MLP's pastel color palette. They sometimes have distorted features, as if they did not pass quality control at the factory. Helena claims that she and her cousins received these ponies this way and that she is selling them as is. She has stated that Estrela was performing dye tests on ponies at the factory, and these are the results. She has provided proof in the form of a gold Estrela logo necklace that belonged to her grandmother and a My Little Pony tattoo.
She also stated that Rit dye is not available in Brazil and that she does not believe that Brazilian ponies are capable of being dyed at all. She provided video "proof" of her wiping one of these ponies' symbols off with acetone to show that no dye came off. It is important to note that Rit dye can be ordered into the country from online outlets and that her test is not an accurate measure of whether or not a pony has been altered.
Another community member posted a video in which he cuts into the neck plug of a dyed Cotton Candy pony purchased from Helena. The original pink color is clearly visible below the dye permeation. Hasbro sculptor Kirk Hindman has also mentioned at past MLP events that it would have been cost-prohibitive for a manufacturer to dye prototypes and that it is easier to paint them for production review.
All collectors should exercise caution if planning to purchase any of these unauthenticated "prototypes." The seller will indeed provide the goods, however, she is not likely to willingly issue a refund if the buyer decides that they are unhappy.
On September 19, 2023, Helena began adding a false email exchange with an Estrela representative to all of her eBay listings seeming to confirm these ponies' authenticity. The email contains no official Estrela branding to support its legitimacy. The language in the message seems to state that dye was injected into the molds after the vinyl and conveniently supports each point that the community has questioned. The process of injecting dye after vinyl into a mold is not standard protocol for production and highly unlikely to be true. Hasbro US has proven unable to confirm its past products from that long ago without community assistance, so it is not likely that Estrela would be able to confirm products made in a now-defunct factory.
Within hours, the fake exchange was removed from the listings. She has also resumed using the term "prototype."
Helena is rapidly changing user names, and she has resumed listing ponies with photos of her fraudulent certificates of authenticity and email exchange with Estrela.
- Sold Listings for Fake Prototypes
- Fake Prototypes and Descriptions from eBay Listings
Waterfall with Blue Sprinkles, Sold for $1,000 USD on June 21, 2023
Pink Undertone to Blue Dye
Pink Undertone to Blue Dye Inside
Waterfall Listing Description
Purplish-Gray Snuzzle, Sold for Best Offer on $380 USD Asking Price on June 25, 2023
Darker Neck Seam Determines It Has Been Dyed
Purplish-Gray Snuzzle Listing Description
Brown Peachy, Sold for $380 USD on June 26, 2023
Splotchy Dye Job and Hair That Absorbed Some Dye Color
Darker Neck Seam Determines It Has Been Dyed
Brown Peachy Listing Description
Dark Purplish-Gray Snuzzle, Sold for Best Offer on $360 USD Asking Price on June 30, 2023
Splotchy Dye Job
Dyed Neck Plug
Darker Neck Seam and Hair That Absorbed Some Color Indicating Dye Job
Dark Purplish-Gray Snuzzle Listing Description
Purple Blue Belle, Sold for $380 USD on June 30, 2023; Same Pony Sold on Same Day for Best Offer on $380 USD Asking Price...
Purple Blue Belle Listing Description
Same Purple Blue Belle, Different Listing
Second Waterfall with Blue Sprinkles, Sold for Best Offer on $1,000 USD Asking Price on July 1, 2023
Second Blue Sprinkles
Color on Bent Knee Is Questionable
Oddly Splotchy Face
This Actually Looks Like Poor Airbrushing
Second Waterfall Listing Description, Mentions That Knee Is Stained
Pink Collector Pose, Sold for Best Offer on $378 USD Asking Price on July 3, 2023
Either Shadow from Poor Photo or Poor Dye Job Noticeable on Nose
Pink Collector Pose Listing Description
Blue Green Collector Pose, Sold for Best Offer on $390 USD Asking Price on July 4, 2023
Darker Neck Seam and Hair That Absorbed Some Dye
Splotchy Appearance
Blue Green Collector Pose Listing Description
Magenta Baby Cuddles, Sold for $1,200 on July 9, 2023
Listing Description Stating That Pony Was Discarded and Saved from Trash
Poorly Dyed Blue Sprinkles, Sold for $900 USD on July 9, 2023
Very Poor Dye Job
Third Blue Sprinkles Listing Description
- Known Returns That Are Relisted and Retaliation
Orange Collector Pose, Sold for Best Offer on $500 USD Asking Price on July 12, 2023
Buyer Returned This Pony
Orange Collector Pose Listing Description
Pony Has Been Relisted with Previous Buyer's Name in Listing Title
Seller Included Retaliatory Statement Against Previous Buyer in Portuguese While Rest of Description is in English
Retaliatory Statements in Listing Description Against Wiki Editors and Facebook Group Members
Retaliatory Statement in Listing Description Against Wiki Editors and Facebook Group Members
